For those who have ridden both and have a lot of experience with bikes.. Really how much more enjoyable is it to ride a liter bike over a 600cc sport bike? How about throttle response, is it just much more uncontrollable? Obviously less forgiving.
How many years of riding experience do you think one should have before making the change from a 600 to a 1000, if any at all? Now as for the 750cc bikes are they really that much of an upgrade (powerwise) over a 600cc? I know everyone has their own opinion on these matters, and I just want to hear what they are!
On one hand I want a liter bike but on the other hand I can keep mine get atleast another year of riding experience under my belt, and then swap a 750 into it from another k6/k7 GSX-R, or trade it in for a 1000. I just am unsure if selling the bike and getting a new loan is worth the trouble for more displacement.
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not worth it to me. im a big guy and i bought a new cbr600 and it was light, plenty fast and handled great. i was going to get the 1000 till i read all the specs on them. then the dealer showed me all of his racing pictures. he raced a 600 on a road course. i miss it now. i think when i buy another bike its gonna be a kawi 636 though. i liked them better than the honda but the kawi dealer wouldnt finance me. i went to the honda place got financed bought the 600 then the kawi guy called and said hey i can do the deal. sorry, too late
and as long as you use your head, you can make a 1000 your first bike. by brother in law never rode a bike in his life. he tried my 600, fell in love but he has to have the best so he went the next day and bought a brand new R1, then before even riding it he spent 10,000 in chrome. all for a very 1st bike. but he rides pretty responsible
if you actually look at the spec sheets, the liter bike just has some more torque and a little more top end power. Top speed is the same, liter bike is a bit heavier normally (though not necessarily the case anymore).
For the price difference, I'd stick with a 600. Or, if you want a bit more torque a 750 is a decent idea. I've always thought if I were to get a bike it'd be a k6/7 750.
For the price difference, I'd stick with a 600. Or, if you want a bit more torque a 750 is a decent idea. I've always thought if I were to get a bike it'd be a k6/7 750.
QUOTE (jcat @ Mar 10 2010, 09:03 AM) 
if you actually look at the spec sheets, the liter bike just has some more torque and a little more top end power. Top speed is the same, liter bike is a bit heavier normally (though not necessarily the case anymore).
For the price difference, I'd stick with a 600. Or, if you want a bit more torque a 750 is a decent idea. I've always thought if I were to get a bike it'd be a k6/7 750.
For the price difference, I'd stick with a 600. Or, if you want a bit more torque a 750 is a decent idea. I've always thought if I were to get a bike it'd be a k6/7 750.
Depends on what you are referring to, on older bikes yes this would have applied a bit better. On newer bikes this comes nowhere near close to being the truth. My bike weighs 10 pounds less than an 05 600RR has about 60 more hp and a bit more torque. Put that on paper and tell me how much of a difference their is.
To answer the original question it all really depends on what you like and how much self control you have. I went from a carb'd ZX7 to a cammed Busa, to a ZX14 which could have wiped the floor with that Busa, down to a 1000 which many say could kill the Busa and the 14 up until it's top end of 170ish at which point those other two bikes wil leave it for dead.
I have very good self control. Have I pushed the bikes? Yes, but only on dead late night highways where there isn't a chance someone is going to come out of nowhere and kill me. As for handling the Busa and the ZX14 are hyper bikes which technically are tourers, so they are tanks, have more forgiving suspensions and don't like corners as much as the smaller bikes.
Now when comparing 600's to 1000's, you also need to take into consideration the years differences. Like I stated before the 05 600RR weighs just about the same as my 08 1000RR and the geometry on my bike is actually better, so you get the same weight, better geometry and more power....gonna be a much quicker bike overall. Now if you compar my bike to the 08 ZX6 and the 600RR you are going to have a better handling bike in the smaller package since those bikes were also redesigned through the years.
As for the 750, I wouldn't bother man, yes it is a bit better of a performer than the 600 but I don't believe it's worth the coin to buy into one or to switch yours up unless you get a killer deal on a motor swap.
QUOTE (Stangman_NB @ Mar 10 2010, 09:22 AM)
Depends on what you are referring to, on older bikes yes this would have applied a bit better. On newer bikes this comes nowhere near close to being the truth. My bike weighs 10 pounds less than an 05 600RR has about 60 more hp and a bit more torque. Put that on paper and tell me how much of a difference their is.
To answer the original question it all really depends on what you like and how much self control you have. I went from a carb'd ZX7 to a cammed Busa, to a ZX14 which could have wiped the floor with that Busa, down to a 1000 which many say could kill the Busa and the 14 up until it's top end of 170ish at which point those other two bikes wil leave it for dead.
I have very good self control. Have I pushed the bikes? Yes, but only on dead late night highways where there isn't a chance someone is going to come out of nowhere and kill me. As for handling the Busa and the ZX14 are hyper bikes which technically are tourers, so they are tanks, have more forgiving suspensions and don't like corners as much as the smaller bikes.
Now when comparing 600's to 1000's, you also need to take into consideration the years differences. Like I stated before the 05 600RR weighs just about the same as my 08 1000RR and the geometry on my bike is actually better, so you get the same weight, better geometry and more power....gonna be a much quicker bike overall. Now if you compar my bike to the 08 ZX6 and the 600RR you are going to have a better handling bike in the smaller package since those bikes were also redesigned through the years.
As for the 750, I wouldn't bother man, yes it is a bit better of a performer than the 600 but I don't believe it's worth the coin to buy into one or to switch yours up unless you get a killer deal on a motor swap.
To answer the original question it all really depends on what you like and how much self control you have. I went from a carb'd ZX7 to a cammed Busa, to a ZX14 which could have wiped the floor with that Busa, down to a 1000 which many say could kill the Busa and the 14 up until it's top end of 170ish at which point those other two bikes wil leave it for dead.
I have very good self control. Have I pushed the bikes? Yes, but only on dead late night highways where there isn't a chance someone is going to come out of nowhere and kill me. As for handling the Busa and the ZX14 are hyper bikes which technically are tourers, so they are tanks, have more forgiving suspensions and don't like corners as much as the smaller bikes.
Now when comparing 600's to 1000's, you also need to take into consideration the years differences. Like I stated before the 05 600RR weighs just about the same as my 08 1000RR and the geometry on my bike is actually better, so you get the same weight, better geometry and more power....gonna be a much quicker bike overall. Now if you compar my bike to the 08 ZX6 and the 600RR you are going to have a better handling bike in the smaller package since those bikes were also redesigned through the years.
As for the 750, I wouldn't bother man, yes it is a bit better of a performer than the 600 but I don't believe it's worth the coin to buy into one or to switch yours up unless you get a killer deal on a motor swap.
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(though not necessarily the case anymore)
^^ read it and weep old man!
Nah JK. I know exactly what you mean and that's kind of what I was eluding to in that statement. I'm just going by the prices you see on CL between 600s and 1ks, 600s always seem to be a couple G cheaper.
QUOTE (jcat @ Mar 10 2010, 09:25 AM)
^^ read it and weep old man!
Nah JK. I know exactly what you mean and that's kind of what I was eluding to in that statement. I'm just going by the prices you see on CL between 600s and 1ks, 600s always seem to be a couple G cheaper.
Nah JK. I know exactly what you mean and that's kind of what I was eluding to in that statement. I'm just going by the prices you see on CL between 600s and 1ks, 600s always seem to be a couple G cheaper.
LOL you know craigslist prices mean nothing...you walk in with cash make an offer and walk away....you know the deal, hell we may possibly be going together for you to try this trick very shortly
QUOTE (Stangman_NB @ Mar 10 2010, 09:27 AM)
LOL you know craigslist prices mean nothing...you walk in with cash make an offer and walk away....you know the deal, hell we may possibly be going together for you to try this trick very shortly
haha i know some tricks myself, but i'm very certain involving you will show me some new things. So far coming up with shit for luck, if you get a break wanna find me a tasty treat to potentially look at? hahaha
nelson doesnt know shit about buying and selling cars and bikes. 
no seriosuly, I think nelson is more than accurate with his big long post. Back on 03-04 the 600-750-1000 made more of a difference than it does now. Bikes now are lighter, more powerful, and just flat out designed better. Its all a matter of what you find for the dollar. I would say pick up a beater bike for your first since there are two kinds of riders in the world: those that have gone down and those who will. Once you get comfy with riding in general then drop the coin on something you like better. I say all this but my first bike was a brand new R6, and I learned on my buddies GSX R 750
no seriosuly, I think nelson is more than accurate with his big long post. Back on 03-04 the 600-750-1000 made more of a difference than it does now. Bikes now are lighter, more powerful, and just flat out designed better. Its all a matter of what you find for the dollar. I would say pick up a beater bike for your first since there are two kinds of riders in the world: those that have gone down and those who will. Once you get comfy with riding in general then drop the coin on something you like better. I say all this but my first bike was a brand new R6, and I learned on my buddies GSX R 750
it all depends on what you want to do with it. If you want to race it then yes a litre bike makes a huge difference if you want to stunt it then yes a litre bike makes a huge difference if you want to do what they are made for and ride and enjoy it then a newer 600 is plenty fast and fun for anyone.
Your insurance will be considerably higher on a liter bike compared to a 600 or 750, so keep that in mind and get quotes from your agent before buying a bike. (you'll have a noticable jump from 600 to 750 for that matter as well)
If you're riding on the street, a 1000 will be faster and can be more fun if all you want is to "go". I'm assuming you won't be going near any roadcourses in which case you most certainly won't want to start on a 1000.
It really comes down to what you're comfortable riding on. There isn't a "need" to get a bigger bike but I can see how it's tempting. I myself could find many ways to have a lot of fun on a Ninja 250. So let your experience and comfort level decide what you want. I personally would say if you're happy with what you have, just enjoy it. Maybe test ride some other bikes when you have the time, but until then don't try to make up your mind.
If you're riding on the street, a 1000 will be faster and can be more fun if all you want is to "go". I'm assuming you won't be going near any roadcourses in which case you most certainly won't want to start on a 1000.
It really comes down to what you're comfortable riding on. There isn't a "need" to get a bigger bike but I can see how it's tempting. I myself could find many ways to have a lot of fun on a Ninja 250. So let your experience and comfort level decide what you want. I personally would say if you're happy with what you have, just enjoy it. Maybe test ride some other bikes when you have the time, but until then don't try to make up your mind.
Wish my job was as consistent now as it was, I'd get a 08+ 1000RR, I don't like how the 600's rev, or their lack of any power under 5k rpm
if your having a hard time deciding, find some one that has a litre bike and test ride it a bit. or you can always settle in the middle and get a ducati 848. and if you want more power get nitrious system or a turbo....
QUOTE (JonT @ Mar 10 2010, 01:17 PM)
if your having a hard time deciding, find some one that has a litre bike and test ride it a bit.
So uhmm hey Nelson...about that new 1000rr.... LOL Jk.
I have ridden my buddy Joshes 02 Busa but it's hard to make a judgment off of that because it's a sport touring bike. I absolutely love the down low grunt it has, but it feels like a tank. It's huge compared to my k7 600.
I'm pretty tame on your typical street mostly because I'm always expecting a car to not see me and pull out in front of me so I try to be real cautious on streets with any traffic. I do admit though that I love to go fast on the highway when there aren't any cars around and there is a nice long stretch of strait highway.
I don't stunt or anything like that.I was pricing the 750cc longblocks on ebay last year in the $700 range, basically ready to plop in and it would be nice because I could retain my exhaust and Bazzaz but if it isn't that much of a difference in comparison to the 600 than I don't want to go through the trouble.
I appreciate all the opinions guys!
QUOTE (Spoolin @ Mar 10 2010, 05:57 PM)
So uhmm hey Nelson...about that new 1000rr.... LOL Jk.
We can ride side by side and go full throttle at teh same time
I have had a 01 triumph 600, then stepped up to an 02 929, then to my 05 cbr600rr...... I fell in love with the 600rr instantly, and coming right off the 929, i dont regret going back to a 600.
I prefer handeling and such, but nelson got the best of both world's. Moving his bike around and then trying to push my sled out of the garage is like night and day.
If i was to get another liter bike I would def go with the 08cbr100rr ... if not just stick with the 600's. I always tell nelson that men dont need anything bigger than a 600, you guys just like pissing contests and who has the bigger penis...
I prefer handeling and such, but nelson got the best of both world's. Moving his bike around and then trying to push my sled out of the garage is like night and day.
If i was to get another liter bike I would def go with the 08cbr100rr ... if not just stick with the 600's. I always tell nelson that men dont need anything bigger than a 600, you guys just like pissing contests and who has the bigger penis...
You're absolutely right CJ. I am probably going to stick with the 600 for the time being and get some more riding experience under my belt.
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