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- Financially strapped Sirius XM Radio Inc. said Friday that it could file for bankruptcy as early as Tuesday if it cannot successfully negotiate with the holders of its debt.

While the satellite radio company said it has exchanged $172.5 million of debt maturing in December for new debt due in 2011, it still has about $175 million coming due this Sunday.

Sirius is fighting against attempts for control by Charlie Ergen, the chief executive of Dish Network Corp. and sister company EchoStar Corp. Ergen bought much of a $300 million batch of discounted Sirius bonds that come due next week. Sirius had rejected a previous offer by Ergen for control of the company.

A bankruptcy filing for Sirius would give it the right to terminate contracts with on-air talent, such as Martha Stewart and Howard Stern, who has a five-year, $500 million deal. A Chapter 11 filing also could crimp Sirius' growth because subscribers might shy away from a company in bankruptcy. Sirius has nearly 20 million listeners and provides a wide range of music, sports and talk radio.

Liberty Media Corp. is in talks with Sirius about possibly investing in the company, a move that could fend off Ergen.

But the DirecTV Group Inc., a Dish rival controlled by Liberty Chairman John Malone, is not involved in the negotiations, according to a person close to the situation. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because he is not authorized to talk about the negotiations. Liberty's participation in the talks was reported earlier by The Wall Street Journal.

Analysts said they didn't think DirecTV would want a satellite radio business or its satellites. DirecTV, the nation's largest satellite TV company, has launched new satellites and is focusing on enhancing its TV service.

Sirius and Liberty declined to comment.

The struggle over Sirius brings together three strong personalities: Malone, Ergen and Sirius CEO Mel Karmazin.

It also renews the adversarial relationship between Karmazin and Ergen. In 2004, when Karmazin was head of Viacom Inc. and in a dispute with Ergen over the fees Dish had to pay to carry Viacom channels, Dish published Karmazin's home number and told subscribers to call him.

This time, Karmazin is in a much weaker position, with Sirius' debt coming due that the company is not in good shape to repay. In total, Sirius has about $3.3 billion in debt maturing between now and 2014.

Given time, Sirius' purchase of rival XM last year could have led Sirius out of its troubles. The merged company became the only satellite radio provider in the country. By eliminating duplicated operations, it was able to cut costs deeply.

Karmazin's plans were foiled by a tight credit market that made refinancing difficult, and plunging sales of autos, its main distribution channel. Karmazin started to swap some debt maturing Sunday with equity, with limited success.

Ergen swept in and bought much of the debt, putting Karmazin in a tough position. Liberty then came into the picture as a possible lifeline.

On Friday, Sirius made some strides with part of its debt due in December. It swapped a portion of the 10 percent convertible senior notes due this year for senior secured notes due 2011. In return, debt holders will get an annualized 10 percent interest in cash, plus 2 percent in kind in 2010 and 4 percent in 2011. They also received a fee of $9.45 million, of which $5.1 million was paid in cash and the rest in Sirius common shares at 7.4 cents each.

Shares of Sirius were up 3.1 cents, or 42 percent, to 10.5 cents in afternoon trading.
from Yahoo news
MeanMachine
dont care....they eliminated both sirius and xm's punk stations so i never signed up again
Killacal
This is a very interesting story and if you've been watching it for a few weeks you know what I'm talking about. There has been quite a bit of institutional purchasing over the last few days so either they know something we don't, or they're taking on a lot of risk... Either way Sirius has a lot of debt issues to fix and this will either be the demise or the explosion of this company's stock.
StayinStock
i don't think anyone would buy stock in that piece of crap.
while other stocks have been for the most part at performance with a slight recovery,Sirius slammed the bottom then flatlined.
Killacal
QUOTE (StayinStock @ Feb 13 2009, 08:46 PM) *
i don't think anyone would buy stock in that piece of crap.
while other stocks have been for the most part at performance with a slight recovery,Sirius slammed the bottom then flatlined.


Here are the reasons the stock price has "slammed the bottom then flatlined":
1. Debt - both long and short term
2. Dilution of the stock shares to pay off debt(Just today they payed off debt by issuing $170M+ worth of stock)
3. Consumer fear about the retail market (especially the automobile market)

That being said I'm kicking myself in the ass for not picking up some stock the other day when it $0.05 /share, shit I would have made 100%+ return in two days!!
CaityD
Dammit can't anybody stay in business anymore?
StayinStock
thats why their stock went up.
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/why-...D-C7CDD8A6B1DA}

i still wouldn't buy the stock.
too risky for my blood.
StayinStock
the reason i say it's risky is not because it lost value.
if you go to Yahoo finance and look up the chart for Sirius.
Now compare the chart to the DOW ,or NASDAQ.
Compare another stock like GE or CAT.
You will see that Sirius not only lost value but also in the last couple months,lost it's ability to follow the market trends.
GE and CAT follow the Dow and other indices.That tells you the stocks are still strong and are just running with the pack.
Sirius can't do that anymore because it's stock is now to weak to have enough long investors.
Swin
I hope they go straight to hell, I lost all the channels I listened to when Sirius took over. I was down to ESPN Radio, I get that for free so why am I gonna pay for it.
Killacal
QUOTE (StayinStock @ Feb 13 2009, 11:30 PM) *
the reason i say it's risky is not because it lost value.
if you go to Yahoo finance and look up the chart for Sirius.
Now compare the chart to the DOW ,or NASDAQ.
Compare another stock like GE or CAT.
You will see that Sirius not only lost value but also in the last couple months,lost it's ability to follow the market trends.
GE and CAT follow the Dow and other indices.That tells you the stocks are still strong and are just running with the pack.
Sirius can't do that anymore because it's stock is now to weak to have enough long investors.


There is absolutely no reason to defend yourself because Sirius is definitely a gamble. But at this point it's a gamble with a potentially large upside if they can work out the problems. Hell it's a niche product in a niche a market, and it's just too bad that the CEO is a complete moron.
WBBKrazy
yeah i have 2 XM tuners, ever since the merger it's fukkin sucked anyway, all the good stations went bye-bye, djs started talkin a lot more and everything has commercials now..... i barely listen anymore and wonder from time to time about dropping it... and now i'm losing the ability to listen online for free, you gotta pay extra now so that might make the decision easier for me.. only in america can a company rake in almost 200 mil a quarter and be bankrupt... half of their yearly take goes to pay Coward Sperm's 500 mil contract and they wonder why they're broke...
StayinStock
QUOTE (Killacal @ Feb 13 2009, 10:53 PM) *
There is absolutely no reason to defend yourself because Sirius is definitely a gamble. But at this point it's a gamble with a potentially large upside if they can work out the problems. Hell it's a niche product in a niche a market, and it's just too bad that the CEO is a complete moron.


I agree,the problem isn't the market it's in.
There is a big demand for satellite radio,the problem is the company,it's investments, and is marketing and execution also it's lack of willingness to expand in partnerships.
If one were a real gambler and wasn't afraid to loose money,it might be a long term investment,as long as they don't go into bankruptcy.
The doubling of investment could just as easily be a cut in half with no way back.
I just wouldn't bet money on short ups and downs unless you have the time to really watch the stock and the company closely.
If they do go into a partnership with a satellite or cable company,it would be worth the bet, and i'd go in for a few thousand shares before the stock rises.

Thats the almost certain guarantee about investing in market performance stock.When the market rises,so will the at market performance stocks,and some of those stocks are dirt cheap compaired to where they were two years ago.
The problem is..When are they going to be at their cheapest.
Do you buy on the way down, or hope that you can recognize the bottom and go all in then.

Right now the easiest way to make money in the market is ETF funds.
Short for the drops and long for the rises,and even then it takes quit a bit of time to keep up with.
FAZ and FAS work fairly well since they are for financial, and financial seems to be the market movers right now.
It's just a matter of getting into the psychology of the market and recognizing the little triggers that make it move up or down and not being jumpy and selling at loss when the market makes and unexpected swing.
As of now the trend is down so thats where my moneys at.A lot of companies are selling for liquidity and the shorters are forcing the market down,but i keep a small amount for the small upswings.
Going to watch real close what the stimulus decision does,but i think wall street is pissed,so we continue down.

BTW i think i just gave myself a headache.lol.gif
Killacal
QUOTE (StayinStock @ Feb 14 2009, 01:35 PM) *
I agree,the problem isn't the market it's in.
There is a big demand for satellite radio,the problem is the company,it's investments, and is marketing and execution also it's lack of willingness to expand in partnerships.
If one were a real gambler and wasn't afraid to loose money,it might be a long term investment,as long as they don't go into bankruptcy.
The doubling of investment could just as easily be a cut in half with no way back.
I just wouldn't bet money on short ups and downs unless you have the time to really watch the stock and the company closely.
If they do go into a partnership with a satellite or cable company,it would be worth the bet, and i'd go in for a few thousand shares before the stock rises.

Thats the almost certain guarantee about investing in market performance stock.When the market rises,so will the at market performance stocks,and some of those stocks are dirt cheap compaired to where they were two years ago.
The problem is..When are they going to be at their cheapest.
Do you buy on the way down, or hope that you can recognize the bottom and go all in then.

Right now the easiest way to make money in the market is ETF funds.
Short for the drops and long for the rises,and even then it takes quit a bit of time to keep up with.
FAZ and FAS work fairly well since they are for financial, and financial seems to be the market movers right now.
It's just a matter of getting into the psychology of the market and recognizing the little triggers that make it move up or down and not being jumpy and selling at loss when the market makes and unexpected swing.
As of now the trend is down so thats where my moneys at.A lot of companies are selling for liquidity and the shorters are forcing the market down,but i keep a small amount for the small upswings.
Going to watch real close what the stimulus decision does,but i think wall street is pissed,so we continue down.

BTW i think i just gave myself a headache.lol.gif



You're spot on with the ETF funds. I've made money w/ both DUG and SSO over the last few months. I just bought into SSO again, as I think we're going to see a 1-2 day pop from the stimulus package. Now as for Siri I think I'm gonna toss some money at it early next week as a speculative play... but I'm honestly no counting on / expecting to see any results soon.
wantahertzdonut
QUOTE (WBBKrazy @ Feb 14 2009, 04:58 AM) *
yeah i have 2 XM tuners, ever since the merger it's fukkin sucked anyway, all the good stations went bye-bye, djs started talkin a lot more and everything has commercials now.....


WHAT? You pay for their service, and they still have commercials? WTF? I thought that was part of their sell, lots of music with no ads.
StayinStock
QUOTE (Killacal @ Feb 14 2009, 01:45 PM) *
You're spot on with the ETF funds. I've made money w/ both DUG and SSO over the last few months. I just bought into SSO again, as I think we're going to see a 1-2 day pop from the stimulus package. Now as for Siri I think I'm gonna toss some money at it early next week as a speculative play... but I'm honestly no counting on / expecting to see any results soon.


Tomorrow should be interesting.
The stimulus,GM and Chrysler are about to show back up on the doorstep of congress.
The rest of TARP.
I know the wallstreet bankers are not happy at all with government.
Futures are down and most of the rest of the world indicies are down,but this market is a bitch.
I've seen futures down 100 pt only to end up with a 300 pt rally.I've seen futures up and the down tank 300 pt,it's crazy.
Geithner speaks the market free falls.
Obama speaks and the market may or may not go up.
I've seen 900 pt swings in one day.
I'll be worse than a house wife watching soap operas tomorrow.lol.gif
BoostedDakota
i'd be lost without btls!!!
DJ420
same here man.. I have 3 Sirius tuners and the merger pissed me off when 3 of my favorite stations became 'shows' on other stations! They dropped the Old School station completely, but there must have been riots, cuz they put it back on the air a month later..
And Im thinkin the same thing that WB's thinkin.. free internet streaming they are now charging for, and they are raising the additional tuner fees from 6.99/ea to 8.99/ea. In essence, instead of making an additional $4 + tax outta me, they are gonna lose $7-9 + tax cuz Im gonna drop a tuner, then just swap from truck to car everytime I wanna listen. Hell maybe Ill drop the 1 in the house too, since digital cable has all them nice music channels..
StayinStock
Well.
Today was interesting.
I was surprised the market went flat after the initial drop,i think everyone was just waiting.
I think the financials pulled the market down like kids throwing a fit after the congressional ass chewing.
I think tomorrow will be up on a bounce because of good deals and some confidence because of the stimulus finally signed into law.
After that depending on the outcome of the auto bailout and Tarp,it will either help the rally or doom it.
I think the stimulus will help over all and when it gets traction in the economy,the market should make a fairly good trend up for a while.
We stilll have a looming credit card crisis and the rest of the housing crisis,so still a lot of uncertainties.
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